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Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

This is an accurate statement of the reality on the ground. I would argue, however, that the Palestinians by their collective actions since 1948 have forfeited ALL claims to residence in any of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. It is time for their mass expulsion. If no nation will take them...they can wander the Earth as God sees fit to impose on them their own diaspora.

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FreedomFighter's avatar

Surak, you have summoned your Spock and have come up with a reasonable solution. The problem, I think, is that much of the screwed-up globe would not be in agreement. The "Palestinians", who exist only to destroy Israel and kill all Jews, will not buy in. The overwhelming majority, both in Gaza and in the "West Bank", approve of Hamas.

As I see it, the best option for Israel would be to offer an ultimatum to the "Palestinians" (who have no historical claim), leave or be taken out. Yes, much violence and global disproval (nothing new at this point). Most of the Arab countries will not want to get into battle with Israel. With Israel in control of all of Israel, things will eventually quiet down.

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Eleftherios Gkioulekas's avatar

To be more precise, according the Quran, if you are "people of the book" (i.e. Jewish or Christian) you have three choices: convert, submit, or die. That is in deference to the fact that all three religions share a couple of prophets in common. If you are NOT a "people of the book" you have two choices: convert or die. Netanyahu did screw up covid/vaccines, he is damned lucky the vaccine fatality rate is not anything like a 10% or 50%, so I am not sure what to make out of him.

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the lilac dragonfly's avatar

This morning I needed some information to make a comment about Israel under a video I watched/listened to. I was in a hurry to get to work, so I searched the notes on my phone for something I had written in the past that would be appropriate. I found it in a TTAC comment I had written a year ago. After posting my comment on the current video, I got curious about the TTAC article so I went to it and found it was a pro-Candace Owens article and exceptionally anti-Semitic. So I went into the comments under the article and discovered that TTAC had deleted my comment. It was lengthy and I had put lots of time and effort into composing it. I found it ironic that several references were made to Ty and Charlene being the part of the “disinformation dozen,” yet here they had censored me because they didn’t like the truth that I stated. Not only that, I tried to “reply” to my comment to let people know it was TTAC that deleted my comment, not me, and found I have been blocked from commenting.

I’m on lunch break now, and went back to check again and I saw your comment there. Since I can’t comment there on TTAC, I decided to come here to air my grievance and this looked like an appropriate article to put my comment under.

Here is the troubling article: https://thetruthaboutcancerofficial.substack.com/p/response-to-twitter-mocker-ian-miles?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2309986&post_id=147836619&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1emxfn&triedRedirect=true

Candace has only gotten worse, from the rumblings I hear. I don’t watch her intentionally unless it is a critique of something crazy she has said … again.

It’s very sad that Ty and Charlene (I think Charlene wrote the article) quote a Bible verse under the title of their article, but they didn’t like the verses I quoted in my comment or what I said, so my whole comment had to be excised. Apparently their audience isn’t smart enough to be permitted to read anything not approved by them. Somehow your comment passed, maybe because it was brief. They did allow me to “like” your comment, but I am not permitted to reply to your comment.

If you’d like, I can post my comment that was deleted at TTAC here. Thankfully, I saved a copy. This has happened enough times that I try to remember to save my comments

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Surak's avatar

It is such a tragedy. It really bothers me a great deal, because I consider myself pro-medical freedom. Yet a lot of the leading voices in that movement are anti-Israel. I would never consider trading a second Holocaust for some additional medical freedom.

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the lilac dragonfly's avatar

Here is my TTAC comment written about August 19, 2024, almost exactly one year ago:

I was very sad to see this post, as I had a premonition (because of the mention of Candace Owens) of the topic to be discussed. I have been hearing some of the fallout surrounding Candace Owens since she was let go from the Daily Wire and what is happening makes me very sad. I was never a follower of Candace, but I had seen a few videos of her and although I couldn’t completely agree with her politics (the republicans have contributed to the downward spiral of this country - as Howard Phillips would say, the two parties are two wings of the same bird), she was well-spoken and had a quick mind, and I could agree with her on some of her points.

As a long-time reader of the Bible, I have to say it is clear that God chose the people of Israel to record His Scriptures and to reveal His plan to save humans from their inevitable destiny, apart from His intervention. It was through Israel that God sent the Messiah. It is to rescue Israel, when all the nations gather together against her and divide the land, that Messiah will return.

According to scripture, all nations will be judged for how they treat Israel.

I find it interesting to see the alliances now happening. Who would ever have thought that people in the u s would be protesting, in such large numbers, for terrorists, waving Hamas flags, and against the Jews? “Never again” has become “now.” The people perpetrating this hate will one day face the God who said He would be faithful to Israel forever. If she sinned, He would punish her, but He would never destroy her.

I am very thankful for my upbringing, on the mission field, immersed in the Bible - daily chapel, bible classes, devotions, regular Bible teaching, Bible memory, encouragement to read the Bible on my own. Immersed in biblical things, I wished I were Jewish. The whole book was about Jews and I wanted to be part of it.

I am grateful for my exposure to Dave Hunt my first year back in the states after graduation, when I purchased one of his books for a class assignment at Bible college. I later signed up for his newsletters, which I still receive from The Berean Call.

I HIGHLY recommend that people go to The Berean Call dot org website. Due to current events, they have a tab at the top for an easy search for information about Israel. I also recommend Dave’s books about Israel, prophecy, and the Bible.

Another source of historical information can be found at elijahnet.net. Click on “Christian Anti-semitism” (top left) to access a lot of articles. The information there under “Luther, theologian of the Holocaust” is important as well. I highly recommend all articles and books by this man, Dan Gruber, someone I know personally, and whom I greatly respect. I attended Bible/Torah studies with him from about 2001-2017, hearing his teaching nearly every week.

I have had to pretty much stop listening to some of the people I was listening to regularly for political (“conspiracy theorist”) content due to their sudden vicious anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic content. Instead, I have started listening to J*TV, TBN- Israel, Traveling Israel, and others.

Imagine how different the world would be if people would accept God’s designation of the land of Israel for the Jews. The Jews just want a safe place in their historical, God-given homeland to live their lives, but the surrounding Arab nations refuse to acknowledge the God of Israel or the land He gave to Israel. They refuse to submit to the one true God Who created the heavens and the earth and Who gave the land to Israel. It is not only the Arab nations that refuse God’s plan. The “western nations” and the “United Nations” do as well. (It is very interesting to think about … what are the nations united for? Maybe a fulfillment of the biblical prophecy that all nations will “gather together” - unite - against Israel?) It will get even more violent before God Himself intervenes to save Israel from all the nations that will threaten to exterminate the people God chose, and the city of Yerushalayim/Jerusalem (there is no “j” in Hebrew) which will be the center of God’s coming kingdom on earth, where Messiah will rule and reign.

Beware of falling into the trap. We know, from prophecy, that all nations will unite to fight against Israel, but that doesn’t mean all people in all those nations will agree or participate.

It will be interesting to see how this union develops. Russia, China, communists, Muslims, Christians, capitalists, marxists, the u s, Britain, France, socialists … will all put aside their differences and join together because of their hate against Israel and the Jews. Because of their rejection of God. In defiance of God. Woe to those who call good, evil and evil, good.

Genesis 12:3 “And I shall bless those who bless you, and curse him who curses you. And in you all the clans/nations of the earth shall be blessed.”

People are refusing the blessing and pursuing the curse.

For a starter, here is a good article to read: https://www.thebereancall.org/content/judgment-day-approaching?sapurl=Lys5MjZkL2xiL2xpLyt3dm44dWs4P2JyYW5kaW5nPXRydWUmZW1iZWQ9dHJ1ZSZyZWNlbnRSb3V0ZT1hcHAud2ViLWFwcC5saWJyYXJ5Lmxpc3QmcmVjZW50Um91dGVTbHVnPSUyQnd2bjh1azg=

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Day 318

Continued below…

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the lilac dragonfly's avatar

Continued from above …

Here is a start on the article:

June 1, 2005 Hunt, Dave

Israel is the major topic of the Bible. The word “Israel” occurs 2,565 times in 2,293 verses. More than enough prophecies have already been fulfilled in Israel’s unique history to prove that “the God of Israel” (203 times) is the true God. In Zechariah:12:2-3 He declares,

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.”

This is an amazing prophecy not only that Jerusalem, which was then in ruins, would become a burden to the whole world, but that all of Israel’s neighbors would be united against her. They have fought one another in the past. Yet today, for the first time in history, “all the people round about” are united by Islam to destroy Israel.

For more than 50 years, Israel’s neighbors have launched surprise attacks against her and she has proved too strong militarily, even though they outnumber her forty to one. God said, “I [will] make...Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood…and they shall devour all the people round about…” (Zech:12:6

In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

Soundly defeated every time, her Muslim neighbors feign a desire for peace, hoping to deceive and ultimately destroy her—a strategy established by Muhammad.

The real battle is not between Arabs and Jews, but between Allah and Yahweh. There is no question of the outcome, but it will be costly for both sides: Israel will be severely punished for rebellion, and her enemies will be destroyed.

Exactly as foretold, Jerusalem is a burden to all people of the world. More than 60,000 individual votes have been cast in the UN against Israel. This tiny nation with one 1,000th of the world’s population has occupied one-third of the United Nations’ time—a burden indeed!

[To make it even easier to find, here is the section in the article about the USS Liberty:]

The question is often asked as to whether the United States (or Canada, Australia, et al.) is in Bible prophecy. Of course! Scripture declares that every nation in the world will join together to invade Israel in the last days and be destroyed in the battle of Armageddon: “I will gather all nations [surely all includes America] against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken….Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations…” (Zech:12:9; 14:2-4)

But wouldn’t the United States be spared for being Israel’s friend? In fact, the U.S. State Department has often been against Israel. This was true in the Yom Kippur War. In a sneak attack (October 1973), 80,000 Egyptians overwhelmed 500 Israeli defenders along the Suez and 1,400 Syrian tanks swept down the Golan with only one Israeli tank in service to oppose them. Israel was taken by surprise. Most of her armed forces were on holiday. The initial success of the attackers so electrified the Arab world that nine other Arab states rushed to get in on the slaughter.

Historian David A. Rausch writes: “Jordan’s King Hussein sent two of his best armored brigades to Syria. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait financially underwrote the huge cost while sending thousands of troops to fight the Israelis. Kuwait lent her British-made Lightning jets to Egypt. Libya’s Muammar Qaddafi turned over forty French-made Mirage III fighters and 100 tanks. Iraqi MiG fighter jets as well as tank and infantry divisions fought on the Golan Heights, while a squadron of Iraqi Hunter jets were utilized by Egypt. Arabs predicted the extermination of the Jewish state and the ‘liberation’ of Palestine....”

The Soviet Union blocked any UN attempt at a cease-fire and refortified the Arab forces with armaments and supplies by sea and air. It was the closest Israel ever came to being defeated. But when the war ended, the Israeli tank columns were on the outskirts of Damascus and Cairo and could have taken those cities had they not turned back. Tragically, Israel suffered about 3,000 dead—which would be comparable to the U.S. losing 150,000. Except for a series of miracles from God, Israel would not have survived.

Where was her friend, the United States? Dozens of notices were sent to the Nixon White House by America’s National Security Administration (NSA) that an Arab Pearl Harbor was about to be launched against Israel. Nixon sat on them. Kissinger hid at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York the day of the attack and waited another three days before convening the UN Security Council. Declining to rush desperately needed military supplies to Israel, the White House said it had to be careful not to upset the Arabs and cause an oil crisis.

Six years earlier, on June 8, 1967, the fourth morning of the “Six-day War,” the USS Liberty, an electronics eavesdropping vessel, arrived off the Sinai coast and began to suck in every Israeli military communication, relaying it all to the British Secret Service’s giant computer installation on Cyprus. From there, complete maps of every Israeli military move were transmitted in advance to the Arab armed forces. With that help, the Arabs might have been able to use their overwhelming numerical superiority to turn the tide of the war. Israel had no choice except to sink the Liberty. Of course the media screamed about this “cold-blooded attack.” No one believed Israel’s public excuse that the Liberty had been mistaken for a hostile Egyptian ship—and neither the U.S. nor Israel has publicly told the truth.

Yes, the United States, too, will attack Israel and will be punished at Armageddon. God declares plainly that He will bring all nations against Israel to destroy them:

In the latter days...I will bring thee against my land…my fury shall come up in my face…there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel … the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things [on] the earth, and all the men [on] the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence…[all nations] shall know that I am the Lord. (Eze:38:16-23) And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. [17] Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? [18] And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. [19] For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; [20] So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. [21] And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. [22] And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. [23] Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

This is terrifying language! What causes this “great shaking” of the entire planet and every living creature upon it? God is personally coming to earth as He did at Mount Sinai when He gave the Law—and He is going to take vengeance upon the enemies of Israel!

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the lilac dragonfly's avatar

Here is what I read/watched with the comment that I replied to.

https://wethepatriotsusa.substack.com/p/massachusetts-eyes-break-with-cdc?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

Interestingly, the person who commented with the anti-Jewish diatribe (on something that had nothing to do with Israel, by the way) goes by “Ty.” Hmmmm…. Maybe it’s Ty of TTAC himself. (?)

He just replied to my comment. I am so weary of the hate. He is talking about a different God than I read about in Torah, Tanach, or The Messianic Writings. It’s a made-up “god” who doesn’t keep His promises, I guess. Here is what he said.

“You're one of the people that Jesus Christ said is worshipping the devil who went by many names including "LORD God" who Jesus said was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies. All who worship the devil are made to believe the Jews or the State of Israel are God's chosen people because the devil fills sinners with pride and self righteousness who seek to exalt themselves above everyone else. God's kingdom is in heaven not on Earth. Those who don't have a love of the truth are filled with delusions. The Pharisees claimed God favored the Jews but Jesus Christ said it was people of faith and righteousness who kept and are faithful to Christ's spiritual covenant in the New Testament that are the real chosen people of God. God didn't choose anyone based on race, ethnicity, religion or nationality. You are very ignorant about the Bible and World History. The God of Israel was the God of Jacob who was a sinner not a righteous person. God doesn't reward sinners but the devil does to incite vengeance against them because the devil wants blood sacrifices from all. You haven't been paying attention to World events have you. The Arab rulers are not against Israel. They're all united with Israel in the Abraham Accords. That's why they've done nothing to stop Israel's genocide of the Palestinians. The western nations rulers aren't against Israel either. Israel gets most of their weapons from western nations especially the US. The UN isn't against Israel either and the UN gave their approval to Israel's creation. Israel never would have joined the UN if the UN was against them. Jerusalem is where the globalists seek to establish a world government. God is a spirit not a person seeking world empire. Do you expect Israel to genocide countries without anyone protesting against them? The State of Israel has no right to exist but all humans do and many of the groups protesting against Israel are Jewish which shows Israel doesn't represent the Jewish people. Israel represents fake Jew criminals who seek world domination and a place to avoid justice for sex crimes and crimes against humanity. Fake Jew criminals accuse everyone of anti-semitism when they are the real anti-semites.“

Thankfully God is keeping track of it all and He is just.

Sadly, Ty is the one that doesn’t know the Bible very well.

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Steve Boronski's avatar

Everywhere else in the western world we are told that diversity is our strength so why not make the river to the sea Isreal? Then the problem is local and if people with differing religious or political beliefs can actually speak to each other and realise that they are not that different.

The UAE style option has done this.

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